Global Hack report, reward system.

[xXx_pixoul_xXx]

this is stupid. ppl would just report other for almost no reason other than getting this "hack credit".

 

[Unitus]

I don't understand how it matters if mods are hired or not? I'm sure they can report players too and get a small reward for it.
And do you really think these kids on Minecraft can provide fake evidence? I honestly doubt it. If that were the case, why don't we ever see people providing fake evidence of people hacking merely because they do not like them?
Also, don't you think it's a bit silly that Zainos and Chris are the only one's who can give rewards / ban / unbans to people? I mean, for such a big server, I think you need a bit more than two admins / owners. If they're really so busy, hire people or promote the staff they already have (although the current staff are not fit for the job, in my opinion).

At least in my experience of playing, I come across many hackers and I just couldn't be bothered to report them. If there were to be a small reward (not too big to get kids to create fake evidence [even though they freaking can't!!!]. Maybe 200 credits or something...) maybe people would start reporting hackers. The only thing this could do is ban hackers. I really don't see the problem.

As for what Bach said: How was Tut off topic?? Lol? Also, I wasn't aware I had to back up an opinion if I said it. Is that part of the rules? I don't think so.
If the main point is to get rid of them, and few people are getting rid of them, don't you think that you need to spark people with a little more motivation?
Also, why is reporting online bad? If anything it helps YOU, since you wouldn't need to do nearly as much work. Why are you complaining??


They system is fine, but it could always be better since I come across at least one hacker nearly every day.
#ChangeCanBeGood

To be honest man, I just see a player who doesn't understand the real world out there, and that people would do anything to get someone in trouble, and SAFollis proved it easily. If you call someone out, and even out of the blue say it was "silly", then you better back it up, otherwise it is mere dry hay, you can say/do whatever you want and no one ever said you couldn't, just try not to make yourself look frivolous in the process. Back on topic, this system will bring problems guaranteed, no questions asked, reporting players (getting a hacker banned) is solely an own reward and satisfaction within you, not something that should be rewarded in any way, it should be purely done from your own free good will and the well-being of the server. This will not stop the hackers, or even make them diminish, hackers will always be there (until Mojang decides to put some real effort into their clients). As _Bach_ wisely said, (and I quote) "there would be a huge negative effect- players would rather report online than tell the online staff, because they want the documented report for reward or whatever. This would totally change the dynamics of staff, the forums, and really the server as a whole".

 

[ParadoxTaco]

I don't understand how it matters if mods are hired or not? I'm sure they can report players too and get a small reward for it.
And do you really think these kids on Minecraft can provide fake evidence? I honestly doubt it. If that were the case, why don't we ever see people providing fake evidence of people hacking merely because they do not like them?
Also, don't you think it's a bit silly that Zainos and Chris are the only one's who can give rewards / ban / unbans to people? I mean, for such a big server, I think you need a bit more than two admins / owners. If they're really so busy, hire people or promote the staff they already have (although the current staff are not fit for the job, in my opinion).

At least in my experience of playing, I come across many hackers and I just couldn't be bothered to report them. If there were to be a small reward (not too big to get kids to create fake evidence [even though they freaking can't!!!]. Maybe 200 credits or something...) maybe people would start reporting hackers. The only thing this could do is ban hackers. I really don't see the problem.

As for what Bach said: How was Tut off topic?? Lol? Also, I wasn't aware I had to back up an opinion if I said it. Is that part of the rules? I don't think so.
If the main point is to get rid of them, and few people are getting rid of them, don't you think that you need to spark people with a little more motivation?
Also, why is reporting online bad? If anything it helps YOU, since you wouldn't need to do nearly as much work. Why are you complaining??


They system is fine, but it could always be better since I come across at least one hacker nearly every day.
#ChangeCanBeGood

okay.... what. Honestly now your sounding greedy. What do you mean could not be bothered? if your complaining so much about this yet from this posts it seems like your a reason. Reporting a hacker is just a nice thing to do. Also what happends if the hacker is in sg? do you get sg credits? And how much? Also you state few people are getting rid of them? honestly there is atleast 2 hackers A DAY, that get banned, mabye more. If you see a hacker then report them. You saying you cant be bothered with something as simple as that yet now your asking for a reward? Imma have to say no. Zinex also you call everyone kids? yet your the one asking for a reward. You dont see people asking for ranks when they catch a hacker do you? and what about small time things. like muting? Everything you say is just decreasing the already low chance of this happening. And honestly. I love helping people on this server. Why do you think i build? i dont get paid. Its just the joy of know people enjoy a good, well made map. So if you would kindly realize this thread was almost pointless. Thank you for stating your opinion.

 

[touh]

im tired so all i have to say is. Just no. Please no

 

[FroggyPhantom]

I think people are over thinking this. I left reward ideas out of this cause I figured staff would come up with something fair. Your right for saying the point of reporting should be to get the hackers banned. The "reward" is to entice the community to get involved. its doesnt have to b crazy. Fabricate evidence? Surely if your selected as staff you can analyze a video and make a fairly accurate decision as that is the current solution is it not. I'm only suggesting a way to get more people involved. cause most players feel the staff has got that covered, but in my exp no staff on any server can cover the volume of hackers thanks to mojangs little no effort..

edit- i really appreciate the staff effort but if you can build an "anti hack" community in a sense you'll have an easier time dealing with them. Maybe for a while you will get a dump of reports but my theory is eventually people would just not want to use hacks here cause they know lots of eyes r on them..

so far the only real issue i see people having a problem with this is the reward system. that can be ironed out. but other than that i dont c why people would be opposed to promoting more eyes on the issue. if you say its not an issue then u obv dont play much

this is a problem on all servers yet to really be solved. Many others servers thought about making separate clients etc etc. all good solutions that require a fair bit of work tho. This solution requires little effort just a little community motivation like the voting system in respects.
This will probably be my last input on the matter. i hope something beneficial could come out of this talk at least.. good day

 

[Zinex]

I'm greedy and I hate poor people

 

[FroggyPhantom]

, (and I quote) "there would be a huge negative effect- players would rather report online than tell the online staff, because they want the documented report for reward or whatever. This would totally change the dynamics of staff, the forums, and really the server as a whole".

Why wouldn't a player be rewarded for an in game/message to staff as well? Is it that difficult to give credit to the guy who tipped u off? Its literally the same sysytem as now but your promoting he community to get involved.. like i said above the system can be ironed out. so nobody would want to "grind" it by making false reports.. If Fake evidence already exist and the motive for using it to screw somone. This system would not change that. hence the reward not worth "grinding" for.

 

[MysticMusician]

People shouldn't have to be rewarded in order to report people. If you are part of the server and you really care that much about it, then you should be willing to report someone who's ruining it for you. A reward system would definitely cause more fake reports. There are many people who accuse people of hacking just because they are killed by them. Having a reward could cause them to just report anyone they die to. People do get greedy with things. It's better to give than to receive. Like I said if you really care, you'll report someone without needing anything in return. The only reward you should need, is the knowing that you helped rid the server of someone who was ruining to experience. That should be enough. I personally don't think it's a good idea.

 

[Trenly]

I also dislike the idea. Regardless of how a player is reported, be it in game or on forums, there is no need for a reward. Hackers are continuously being found and banned without a reward. There is no need to fix something if it's not broken. I would also say that there are plenty of players who report and that there is no need to encourage others.

What would happen if two players posted a report on the same player? Would the reward be split? Would it go to the person who first reported? There are times when this happens.

As multiple people have said, false evidence will increase as well as the number of reports. Just because 80% wouldn't create false evidence. The other 20% of the community might, and they might create many reports. This would slow down the speed at which hackers get banned and force staff to spend more time on forums, which would reduce their already low amount of time in game.
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Judging by the previous replies by the community and staff, I believe it would be relatively safe to say that this has been or will be declined.

 

[FroggyPhantom]

i see what your saying about rewards in fact i agree but either way the current sysytem which is basically the same on all mc servers sucks balls. i Get not liking an aspect and pointing out how it wont work but why not take a step further and contribute to the idea and in the end have of a pretty good solution. other then just saying whats wrong with it.. i could have went lots more into detail but i thought ppl could elaborate with what i gave them. I guess i shoulda went further and suggested alternative methods of giving a reward which doesnt have to be coins or ranks.. **** cmon be creative people. Maybe ill have to make my own server to c any effort for change this department...
@ Trenly end of the day its not about the reward. its about getting the community involved and having a zero hackers tolerance. your right plenty of people do report. including myself. But the idea is to create a presence if you will that would discourage the use of hax here in general as YOUR ALWAYS BEING WATCHed..lol ppl I would definitely like to hear others ideas on how to encourage the general population to get involved. even if they dont get used here i might use them ^^