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What will happen to the server?

Do you support what mojang is doing to donating?

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    Votes: 9 75.0%
  • Yes

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SAFollis

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Starting August, mojang is making it so that you can't donate to get things that affect gameplay. So, what will happen to HHGN? And if you want more than just that, what will happen to all minecraft servers that rely on donations to keep going? Sure there is pets, particles and so on, but most people donate to get advantages in games.
What mojang said:
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Hello!

Let’s get one thing clear: we love it when Minecrafters host servers. Tiny or massive, running vanilla or modded Minecraft, we think they’re all great. Playing with friends in persistent worlds is awesome. Everyone knows that.

Over the past week there’s been lots of discussion about Minecraft servers and your right to monetise them. Legally, you are not allowed to make money from our products. There has been one exception to this rule so far – Minecraft videos. We’re about to make a second exception – Minecraft servers.

Hosting servers can be expensive. We want to give hosts a way to cover their costs. That said, we don’t want our players to be exploited or to have a frustrating time unless they pay. The following rules, which may be tweaked at a later date, have been created with these points in mind.

You are allowed to charge players to access your server
So long as the fee is the same for all players, you are allowed to charge for access to your server. You are not allowed to split your playerbase into paying, and non-paying users, nor can you restrict gameplay elements to different tiers of player.

Basically, if you’re charging for access to your server, you are selling a “ticket” and there can only be one type of ticket, regardless of how much people are willing to spend.

You are allowed to accept donations
You are allowed to accept donations from players. You can thank them publicly or in-game, but can’t give preferential treatment for donating. You are not allowed to restrict gameplay features in an attempt to make money.

You are allowed to provide in-game advertising or sponsorship opportunities
You are allowed to put adverts in your Minecraft worlds to help with costs. Used within reason, adverts and sponsorship can be appropriate ways to fund a server.

You are allowed to sell in-game items so long as they don’t affect gameplay
We don’t mind you selling items in game, but they must be purely cosmetic. Pets, hats, and particle effects are OK, but swords, invincibility potions, and man-eating pigs are not. We want all players to be presented with the same gameplay features, whether they decide to pay or not.

There is one exception to this rule – capes! We have a lot of fun making cool capes for extra-special members of our community and Minecon attendees. We’d like to keep them as exclusive as possible. So, yeah, no capes please, even if you’re giving them away for free.

You cannot charge real-world cash for in-game currency
We don’t mind in-game currencies which are earned through playing, but you are not allowed to sell them for real-world cash. Remember – if the stuff you sell affects gameplay, we’re not cool with it.

Don’t pretend to be us. Provide your customers with loads of info
If you do decide to monetise your server, you must clearly state that the purchase is not associated with Mojang, declare who the money is going to, and provide a purchase history and contact details. You should also check the legality of selling digital items in your specific region.

Thanks for reading!
As I hope you’ve noticed, these rules are making attempts to prevent Minecraft servers becoming “pay-to-win.” We hate the idea of server hosts restricting Minecraft’s features to players who have already bought our game! It seems really mean.

We’re hoping that these rules will give hosts opportunity to continue creating awesome Minecraft worlds, and for our players to enjoy them without being forced to spend.

I’m sure we’ll get loads of questions about this subject over the next few days. I’ll prepare a follow-up post once I’ve gathered your queries.

Have a good day!

Owen – @bopogamel, and your buddies at Mojang.
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Hello!

Thanks for all the questions you’ve sent over regarding last week’s EULA post. It’s a lively topic.

A group of Mojangstas met this morning to discuss the most common questions we received over the weekend. The following post is the result of that discussion.

Though we’re happy to clarify, most of these points were mentioned in last week’s explanation of the EULA. Please give it a read before diving into this more detailed Q+A.

 

Are any servers exempt to the EULA?
No. It affects all servers and players equally.

Do server hosts have a grace period to implement changes to their servers?
Yes. All servers must comply with the EULA by August 1st, 2014.

Can I charge for access to my server?
Yes. How players join a server is up to you. Single entrance fees or subscriptions are both allowed.

How often am I allowed to charge players to access my server?
You can charge players as regularly as you like. You can even charge for timed access if you think it’s the best way to monetise your server.

What counts as a server? Are proxies one big server, or lots of smaller ones?
A server is something a user connects to with their client. The user is on a different server when they leave one and manually join another (in the multiplayer screen). Virtual servers and proxies make no difference; to the client it’s the same server.

Can I charge access to a specific part of my server, such as a minigame or world?
No, you cannot charge for any part of a server. Only the access. Once on a server, all players must have the same gameplay privileges. You may make a different server which features “premium” areas, and charge for access to that server instead, but the benefits cannot carry between servers.

So can I charge for my minigames or mods?
Yes, so long as all players on your server have access to the features.

Can I offer a limited trial period for all users?
Yes. So long as both trial and paying users have access to the same gameplay features during the trial, we’re cool with it.

Can I give paying users priority access to my server?
Yes, but you cannot restrict gameplay elements to specific users.

Does the EULA still apply for access to user-created mods?
Yes. It doesn’t make a difference who made the mods, or how they were implemented onto your server. All mods require Minecraft to run. You are not allowed to charge for Minecraft features which affect gameplay.

What do you mean by “hard currency” compared to “soft currency”?
Hard currency is real money or anything that can be converted into real money, including Bitcoins. Soft currency is available in-game only, and has no real-world value. The restrictions in the EULA only apply to hard currency; you may unlock things in-game with soft currency.

Can I sell “kits” for hard currency if I provide a balanced alternative for non-paying users?
If the “kits” contain gameplay-affecting features they are not allowed. Gameplay balance is not relevant to the EULA. If the items included in the kit are purely cosmetic, you can charge real money/hard currency.

My server features a currency that you can earn through gameplay, but which can also be bought for hard currency. Is that OK?
Soft currencies that are earned in-game are fine, but you cannot sell in-game currency for hard currency. Hybrid/dual currency systems are not allowed.

Can I sell boosters, which provide faster gold gain, XP, or other in-game resources for hard currency?
No – boosters, item generators, and all other features that affect gameplay are not allowed.

So how do I make real money from selling cosmetic items?
You can sell cosmetic items for hard currency directly or allow players to fund an “account” specific to your server. It’s up to the host of the server to decide how this works. Remember that capes are the exception to this rule – you are not allowed to give them away or sell them.

Can I sell ranks on my server?
Yes. Ranks are allowed so long as any perks gained are cosmetic. Coloured names, prefixes, special hats etc. are fine.

Can users purchase something that affects the entire server, such as a temporary XP boost?
Yes, but everyone who can access the server must be able to use the feature, regardless of whether they purchased it or not.

Can I award all players with a gameplay feature if I reach a donation goal within a time period?
Yes, so long as all players receive the benefit regardless of who donated then it’s OK.

Can I charge for access to server commands?
Yes, as long as their effects are purely cosmetic. Commands that affect gameplay, such as a command to fly, cannot be sold for hard currency.

If all players get access to a feature such as a plot of land, can I sell access to multiple plots for hard currency?
No – that would be a gameplay affecting change, so it’s not allowed. All player who access your server must have the same gameplay features offered to them. The same rule applies to items, such as potions.

How should servers deal with users who have already spent hard currency on features that affect gameplay?
Users may keep the perks they’ve paid for on the condition that the same perks are available to other players on the server (directly or purchasable using soft currency). It’s up to the server host to decide how to compensate users for previous transactions.

 

Phew. That was a long one. Thanks for reading everybody!

Owen – @bopogamel and the Mojangstas
 

whitedevil5000

Active Member
I actually support what Majong is saying.

Business is business. What servers are doing now is technically illegal, using Minecraft as a way to gain money. So I actually appreciate the fact that Majong is allowing servers to make money from their product. I also see their point with the "we have never charged anyone for gameplay." Once the game is bought, it's your forever without having to pay for updates.

But it really isn't that bad. HHGN could do clever ways to do stuff. For example, VIP SCBB classes are "rentals" instead of purchases. Like, once you rent a VIP class, you get it for 3 days. So it's like, 100 gems for renting. Then, it's not restricting players from gameplay but giving VIP's perks. (Naturally, the VIP's get the class for free)

And that could be used for Kit PVP also. And since HGGN is going to have the global economy feature it sounds like, stuff like the "VIP" parkour, again, can be a pay-to-play section, using soft currency.

So my point is, servers have options. I am really glad Majong is now allowing servers to get money legally. So in other words, shut up and stop complaining. :D I support Notch on this.

(Sorry if that came across rude)
 

imtotallychris

Retired Staff
whitedevil5000 said:
I actually support what Majong is saying.

Business is business. What servers are doing now is technically illegal, using Minecraft as a way to gain money. So I actually appreciate the fact that Majong is allowing servers to make money from their product. I also see their point with the "we have never charged anyone for gameplay." Once the game is bought, it's your forever without having to pay for updates.

But it really isn't that bad. HHGN could do clever ways to do stuff. For example, VIP SCBB classes are "rentals" instead of purchases. Like, once you rent a VIP class, you get it for 3 days. So it's like, 100 gems for renting. Then, it's not restricting players from gameplay but giving VIP's perks. (Naturally, the VIP's get the class for free)

And that could be used for Kit PVP also. And since HGGN is going to have the global economy feature it sounds like, stuff like the "VIP" parkour, again, can be a pay-to-play section, using soft currency.

So my point is, servers have options. I am really glad Majong is now allowing servers to get money legally. So in other words, shut up and stop complaining. :D I support Notch on this.

(Sorry if that came across rude)
I've never seen it in that aspect, But. We will pull through. I don't know how. All servers are in the process of migrating to this. But, one strange thing I ask is, Why would they bring it up NOW if it has always existed? They never enforced it before, [not like they can enforce is with so much servers] they will just get reports on servers and they will just ask as they go. But in reality, There is two sides to this, and i'm personally in the middle.
 

SAFollis

Trusted Member
whitedevil5000 said:
But it really isn't that bad. HHGN could do clever ways to do stuff. For example, VIP SCBB classes are "rentals" instead of purchases. Like, once you rent a VIP class, you get it for 3 days. So it's like, 100 gems for renting. Then, it's not restricting players from gameplay but giving VIP's perks. (Naturally, the VIP's get the class for free)
Actually, since this is affecting the gameplay, Mojang wouldn't allow it :/ (It's whether it affects the gameplay, not restricting)
whitedevil5000 said:
And that could be used for Kit PVP also. And since HGGN is going to have the global economy feature it sounds like, stuff like the "VIP" parkour, again, can be a pay-to-play section, using soft currency.
This would also affect gameplay, because VIP's get to use it while non-VIP's have to do something else to be able to do it.
whitedevil5000 said:
So my point is, servers have options. I am really glad Majong is now allowing servers to get money legally.
I agree with the fact that it is good that it is now allowed legally.
whitedevil5000 said:
:D I support Notch on this.
Actually, Notch didn't make this :s He quit making decisions for Minecraft, and now other people like jeb_ (I'm just going by there 'other' names, not like 'Jens' 'Markuss' 'Whatever dinnerbones name is' because that would be... weird) and Dinnerbone are making the decisions.
 

whitedevil5000

Active Member
SAFollis said:
whitedevil5000 said:
But it really isn't that bad. HHGN could do clever ways to do stuff. For example, VIP SCBB classes are "rentals" instead of purchases. Like, once you rent a VIP class, you get it for 3 days. So it's like, 100 gems for renting. Then, it's not restricting players from gameplay but giving VIP's perks. (Naturally, the VIP's get the class for free)
Actually, since this is affecting the gameplay, Mojang wouldn't allow it :/ (It's whether it affects the gameplay, not restricting)
whitedevil5000 said:
And that could be used for Kit PVP also. And since HGGN is going to have the global economy feature it sounds like, stuff like the "VIP" parkour, again, can be a pay-to-play section, using soft currency.
This would also affect gameplay, because VIP's get to use it while non-VIP's have to do something else to be able to do it.
whitedevil5000 said:
So my point is, servers have options. I am really glad Majong is now allowing servers to get money legally.
I agree with the fact that it is good that it is now allowed legally.
whitedevil5000 said:
:D I support Notch on this.
Actually, Notch didn't make this :s He quit making decisions for Minecraft, and now other people like jeb_ (I'm just going by there 'other' names, not like 'Jens' 'Markuss' 'Whatever dinnerbones name is' because that would be... weird) and Dinnerbone are making the decisions.

For the restricting thing: "You are not allowed to restrict gameplay features in an attempt to make money."
By adding a way for everyone to gain access to VIP features in a reasonable way wouldn't be restricting gameplay.

And I know Notch didn't directly make the decision, but he's the head, so I look to him for everything.

@to ChrisTheLink
He mentioned how busy they were, so they didn't have time to deal with it and write our a whole EULA.


But in retrospect, yes, this will make everything harder. I recommend that HGGN emails Mojang about what they can and cant do. (Like if the example I gave about Kits and classes is reasonable)
 

Cptcreeper64!

Trusted Member
I can see white devils point but usually the most purchases are bought as ranks, not pets or factions items. I do think this idea is bad because servers will make less and less money and the hub isn't cheap. I get what mojang is doing but I have to say it depends on the server itself. Some server might have to pay 100 dollars a month while others have to pay 50 dollars. How is happy-hg and other servers going to have to pay this? And don't forget they have to pay their coders and etc. Most servers aren't to overpowered as 'buy to win'.
 

whitedevil5000

Active Member
Yeah, thats true. But there's other ways to gain money. Like advertising, and pets. Not saying it "helps" the servers. But it makes servers technically legal, which is why I support it. :) And that's all I'm going to say. ;)
 

Mr_Incredibuz

Well-Known Member
This scares me a bit :shock: . Will all people who payed for vips loose them? Plus now u will not be able to donate which rlly sucks...
 

michalthekid

Trusted Member
Mr_Incredibuz said:
This scares me a bit :shock: . Will all people who payed for vips loose them? Plus now u will not be able to donate which rlly sucks...
Noooooo.... You WILL be able to donate, but not get perks for donating
 

SAFollis

Trusted Member
Mr_Incredibuz said:
This scares me a bit :shock: . Will all people who payed for vips loose them? Plus now u will not be able to donate which rlly sucks...
Mojang said they can keep their stuff as long as the non-donators can do it ._. (Then wouldn't they still theoretically lose what they donated for?)
 

ItsMrRice

Trusted Member
They are doing this partly so you have to get realms. You either have to support the server with your own money or hope for donations. Hopefully MOJANG is just saying this but doesn't enforce it although it says it does. Aka salutary neglect
 

imtotallychris

Retired Staff
RiceMaster2000 said:
They are doing this partly so you have to get realms. You either have to support the server with your own money or hope for donations. Hopefully MOJANG is just saying this but doesn't enforce it although it says it does. Aka salutary neglect
It will be nearly impossible to enforce it with all the servers.
 

Zainos

Owner, Founder and Lead Developer
Owner
Staff Manager
CALM DOWN PEOPLE! WE ALREADY MADE SOME NEGOTIATIONS! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THE SERVER, RANKS AND PERKS WILL REMAIN THE SAME! DON'T WORRY <3
 

iamcrzzy

Active Member
zainos said:
CALM DOWN PEOPLE! WE ALREADY MADE SOME NEGOTIATIONS! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THE SERVER, RANKS AND PERKS WILL REMAIN THE SAME! DON'T WORRY <3
how does that work? I mean our server will be the same but other servers will have to go to donate for donating not donate for perks?
 

SAFollis

Trusted Member
iamcrzzy said:
zainos said:
CALM DOWN PEOPLE! WE ALREADY MADE SOME NEGOTIATIONS! NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THE SERVER, RANKS AND PERKS WILL REMAIN THE SAME! DON'T WORRY <3
how does that work? I mean our server will be the same but other servers will have to go to donate for donating not donate for perks?
I was wondering the same thing... At least it will hopefully work!
 

ckm499

Member
How should servers deal with users who have already spent hard currency on features that affect gameplay?
Users may keep the perks they’ve paid for on the condition that the same perks are available to other players on the server (directly or purchasable using soft currency). It’s up to the server host to decide how to compensate users for previous transactions

From this question it seems that servers will still be able to sell ranks and perks for real money as long as they give some sort of alternative for non-vips to buy it with a lot of ig money. Is this right?
 
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