Cptcreeper64!
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?Guys guys, one at a time lol
?Guys guys, one at a time lol
What does that even mean? Also a perm ban never ends well. Plenty of larger servers have temp bans.Guys guys, one at a time lol
That is also a great idea that could be added.Maybe the rules should be changed to
First time=14 days ban
Second time= perm ban
And it should say in the first ban that you are getting perm banned if you do it again
What does that even mean? Also a perm ban never ends well. Plenty of larger servers have temp bans. Mindplus has 2 temps before perm. And one temp ban is better then a perm ban.
That is also a great idea that could be added.
It seems you don't understand how our banning and appealing system works. You can't get incorrectly banned thrice since in order to ban someone, all staff is forced to previously gather valid proof about the user's hacks in order to perform the punishment, like in real life. Furthermore, if a staff member makes a mistake which is possible because no one is perfect, when the users makes the appeal, we would review the proof gathered by the Staff member and if it's the case that the proof is invalid and it was just matter of skills (for example), then the user would get immediately unbanned (Without the ban being saved in its records), and the staff member action would be remembered for the future. Hope this clarifies your doubtsWhat if that "hacker" wasn't hacking in the first place? say like someone good was pvping and they were called on hacks and (false) banned 3 times
A healthy debate about something is always good and helpful as long as respect is kept and no one is rude (Won't give names).
Regarding the discussion, it really interested me what Unitus said: I believe that if we keep the actual system we have BUT with the addition of a mandatory requirement which forces the players to write a first instance of ban appeal in order for their temp ban countdown begins, it may turn out to be slightly more effective when dealing with hackers.
How would this work? When a player gets banned for hacking (This would only be applied for hacking temp bans in a first instance, as for all the punishment reasons it would be nearly impossible to handle the high demand of appeals; having in mind the huge time it takes to answer one), it would be permanently banned and forced to apply at forums in order to get unbanned. Once the player applies and promises it shall never break the rules again, the temporarily ban of 7 days countdown would start, and only once this time has passed then the player would be able to come back to the servers. This would be repeated with the 15 days ban and regarding the third strike, the player would get permanently banned with no option to appeal.
Nevertheless, in order to apply this new system, it would require a huge ton of organization and way more staff members since you may not know but handling ban appeals is a really tedious, stressful, and long job; that requires a huge ton of time, concentration, skills, and administration abilities. Therefore, it may take some time for this to be applied to the network if we decide, with previous approval of the WHOLE Staff team, to switch to this new system...
Perfection right there, thanks ZainosIt seems you don't understand how our banning and appealing system works. You can't get incorrectly banned thrice since in order to ban someone, all staff is forced to previously gather valid proof about the user's hacks in order to perform the punishment, like in real life. Furthermore, if a staff member makes a mistake which is possible because no one is perfect, when the users makes the appeal, we would review the proof gathered by the Staff member and if it's the case that the proof is invalid and it was just matter of skills (for example), then the user would get immediately unbanned (Without the ban being saved in its records), and the staff member action would be remembered for the future. Hope this clarifies your doubts
:/ they know that with there second chance they can fly under the radar and it can start all over, do u not wanna have book and quills!"everyone deserves a second chance to clean up their mistakes"
And all hackers must be recorded before they are bannedThe law states "all suspects are innocent until proven guilty"
What do you mean by recorded?And all hackers must be recorded before they are banned
14 DAYS! Bruh, if someone, let's say, curses a whole tone, you don't ban them for 14 DAYZMaybe the rules should be changed to
First time=14 days ban
Second time= perm ban
And it should say in the first ban that you are getting perm banned if you do it again
I mean that staff take videos of the person hackingWhat do you mean by recorded?
Well that's their problem they shouldn't have hacked at the first time14 DAYS! Bruh, if someone, let's say, curses a whole tone, you don't ban them for 14 DAYZ
14 DAYS! Bruh, if someone, let's say, curses a whole tone, you don't ban them for 14 DAYZ
The reason there are hit and run hackers are because there's no use doing damage to a server over and over if there gonna fix it. Also When Will Throw Items be back on The Creative Server?What i have found often as a staff is this: there are three kinds of hackers
1. The hit and run hacker- these players hop on the server, turn on whatever hacks they want, and stay as long as they can having fun hacking. I would say up to 75% of hackers i ban are in this category, First offense, and i most likely never see them again. So a perm ban makes no difference for them. They will delete the server and move on.
2. The repeat offender- this is often someone who has played on the server for a decent amount of time and is invested in the community, but they have hacks they use in maybe one or two gamemodes. These players are the ones whom i think your suggestion is targeting. However, i have seen players hack once or even twice, and then not again because they dont want to be removed from the community and server. Again, having 3 strikes youre out system works better here too.
3. Noob experimenter- Someone who just decides to try hacks cause they look fun, a friend wants them to, or they rage and wanna win. Either way, after their first ban, they get scared silly and never wanna hack again. A first offense perm ban is again ineffective.
So the question is: how do we ensure the community is free of hackers?
1. Anti-Hacking plugins help eliminate the hacks players can use
2. Staff online and watching
3. A strong communitythat reports the players to forums or to an online staff
The solution is not to increase the severity of the punishment, as often, a ban in general deters 95%+ of the hackers (more like 99% xD). And those that continue to hack after their first ban get one more ban, and then again and they are perm banned. They will be removed from the system soon enough as is.
Most are hit and runAs a former staff, I have something to say about this. I agree, the temp bans are a good idea on the server as they warn the player not to hack again, and if they continue to, they will be out of the server entirely. However, back when I was a staff on the server, I noticed the a good deal of players that I caught hacking actually did have a record, and people that I asked had said the player had been coming back every few days, hacking and getting away with it, and this got me thinking, having 3 stages of bans is a bit too many chances as the certain hackers with this trait that I banned where clearly getting a lot of chances and still squandering them.
Some are so unpopular they don't need oneMost servers (nearly all I think) permanently ban hackers straight away. Just saying.
A skilled player you know because they will sooner or later will die, A hacker kills you faster than anyone and never dies no matter how many time you try to kill themI'd expect the staff to know the difference between a skilled player and a hacker.
It should beI disagree. The times are (I believe):
The point of a temp ban is to get them to stop hacking so they can play normally. The system is fine as is.
- 1 week
- 2 weeks
- Perm
If anyone is suspected of hacking, they should Prove that there not hackingIt's not always that easy to tell. There have been many times where people look like they are hacking, and they aren't. It's not uncommon.
Also When Will Throw Items be back on The Creative Server?
They should only have ca1. There's many hacks that can bypass that, a player was tp:ing in pvp today. The plugins should be able to notice that if they were good
2. There's not always staff online, around 8am-2pm, my time, there's most likely no staff online.
3. Players doesn't report half of the hackers. It's annoying to record every single time.
how are they gonna take videos?I mean that staff take videos of the person hacking
I take videos using Bandicam. Some staff may use OBS, or other softwareThey should only have ca
how are they gonna take videos?
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Does anyone here agree with me...?